Alejandro Heavey: Argentine Master Tennis Pro and Biomechanics Expert
Broudy: Hi I'm here today with my good friend Alejandro Alex heavy out of Buenos Aires Argentina we've been friends Alex and I for oh gosh at least 10 years And of course we met virtually, I don't I don't even know how we met Alex but I know we met over the internet. Maybe I saw one of your articles, maybe you saw one of my articles I don't know, maybe it was from tennis one I cannot remember but I Alex for those of you don't you don't know Alex he's a great coach and a profoundly intelligent man, very intelligent person and I've always enjoyed our conversations and I think you'll enjoy hearing from Alex today about we're gonna be talking about biomechanics and and the biomechanics of tennis which I know very little about so I'm gonna learn a lot myself today, I'm going to introduce you Alex to you Alex, maybe you want to tell everybody where you come from and a little bit about you and then we'll we'll get started.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah sure thank you, shock, my opinion is the same for you, you are a very very great tennis coach. I live in Buenos Aires, I'm working here in tennis, I am working with a lot of number of professional tennis players, I am integrated part of the Nalbandian team I'm working with Acasuso, he was 17, 80 p with Ramon Gonzalez from Spain today, he won the tournament here in Argentine and working with a lot of numbers of junior players top terms And I'm working with the social ratio all his career, he was 47 war, yes, tennis player and working with all career of Facundo Agnese, he was now 18 in the ADP ranking. I know Del potro and Sherman now with when you're a tennis player younger and working with a lot a lot of number and released a lot of uh biomechanical analysis of this player.
Broudy: Well you know, one of your favorite, one of my favorite players was now abandoned and I'm sure we talked about him because I think he has as pretty as stroke as roger. Federer, I think incredible player really
Alejandro Heavey: that's pure talent,
Broudy: pure talent. I mean he really, he really does everything effortlessly and it's very much correct from what I can say.
Alejandro Heavey: Uh he had the concept to understand very faster when you explain a movement or a new stroke or a new position in the court is very, very fast up. It's not the same with all the players. You need a lot of number of moles to understand what is the new change in the structure. Yes, because it's, it's very difficult to understand the talent players do not need a large number of poles. He is saving your mind the concept and then when he played a match can happily the, the the new concept very very faster.
Broudy: Yeah, you know, that's really interesting because not everyone is a good student, so that's really interesting for me to know now Nalbandian and was a good student,
Alejandro Heavey: he
Broudy: was so successful in the juniors. I mean Federer couldn't beat him in the juniors. Yes, go ahead.
Alejandro Heavey: No, we analyst size matches and he understands very faster Where is the best position to play with the other play areas? And because he had all the stroke, it's very simple to him resolved a match. It's very very simple. No need a lot of instruction. No need practice in your man as paul. Yes, only you need to tell him. Okay by the side. For example, you say, okay, the forehand is uh, the other players have a problem in your forehand when he's back. Yes, when he's playing back. Yeah, human reside in your mind the position and all this truck going there and the other player can play. Yes. Is very, very intelligent.
Broudy: Yes. I had no, I had no idea where he plays. Like he's intelligent. That's like roger Federer plays like. Yes,
Alejandro Heavey: sure. Yes, sure.
Broudy: Let me let me start this way because and and it's gonna seem too simple to you. But I'm a simple guy. And I really, I only know enough about biomechanics to say the word and be dangerous because I couldn't really explain it to anybody else. So maybe you could explain it to me. Um
Alejandro Heavey: biomechanical is working with much as low physical. Yes. For example, balance inertia action and reaction, kinetic chain. Turkey, linear movement and elastic energy and all is ending with the kinetic chain for example, in your system. You use the war have a Julius and it's an excellent tool when you use you're a bar. You begin the process for all the law of the biomechanical. Why? Because at 1st the prayer is in a simple position. He put your foot and movement free. Yes. Not have a problem with the floor. Yes. This is the most most
Broudy: sure we call it the Broudy board now. But when you get on the Broudy board right, you're free from gravity.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes, sure you're
Broudy: free from gravity. It's like you're on like skating.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah the gravity center is perfect because they had the trunk and the legs are aligning and it's simple for a player moving around the movement of the free labor. And what happened you can begin to the fair process is the balance, the head. You need the first head position in front of the court, you need the trunk, this in front and the next unit begin to training the hips movement because a lot of players have problems with rotating the hips in general. The hips are back. Yes. When he began the prospector of the rotate of the stroke with a bar. You can correct all this movement. And one of the most important things of the world if you can has she just um. Yes. The distance of the labor because you can move the labor if you have buttons and you can open the size yes of the bar and you can create the perfect balance because the shoulder and the legs are aligning in the same position.
Broudy: Sure. I call it vertical your vertical axis. But once you establish your vertical access then your head's your head stays still. And you can move you can move below it in this figure eight on the swivel board. So that's that's correct.
Alejandro Heavey: And you can the body is a stand. Yes, not is going in front of back. Yes,
Broudy: that's right vertical. The vertical axis stays true. Right? That's right. That's
Alejandro Heavey: Right. Yeah. What you use for example the figure of a or you work in the structure in 45° angle. You are working the turkey. The turkey is the rotation. Yes. And when you candidate with the trunk on the arm to create the elastic force. Yes. The elastic force is the force is you saved in your Moscow. And you can liberate. Yes. Yes. Free when you begin the process to go into the vault. Yes. When you go in to the vault to impact the ball you mm hmm. You you used all the energy is stated in the Moscow. And in this process When you work 45°, you are not safe. Energy because all the body is the trunk and hips and legs can rotate in the perfect position. Yes. Then you okay in tennis in 45° animals. You open and close to blame the best tennis because you can open the court in different places.
Broudy: That's right. It's at the 45° angle. It's it's the easiest place to change directions.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah, sure.
Broudy: So you can you can disguise your shot better.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes, but for biomechanical is perfect because when the player ended this truck is in front of the car and liberate all the movement of the body. Yes, this is the difference, this is the difference the tennis technique and the biomechanical. In the mechanical you show how is you ended the structure in energy. In tennis you obtain the best results when you play 45 degree angle. That is a very very important difference. one of the other most important in your system shock. If you work the static balance and the dynamic balance. The static balance is when you are working the preparation and the ready position, the player is in the perfect gravity center because you're right. Yes, that's right because you need a very good position to stay on the board. Yes because if you don't have the equilibrium you are moving or maybe you can go in out how they are. The dynamic balance and when you rotate and you starting to move the body in the different parts of the Dennis struck Yes. Ah You can obtain the best result with the arbor in the case of the wave yes of arm. When you are over. Yes labor You have a three movement because you can move your body in all directions and you can translate the power of the energy all right back to front. Yes. And can create the torque A the Turkey is the rotation yes of the trunk when you're going back. Yes. Right.
Broudy: But how I see it is when you move back in front like this actually you're actually going small at the 45 then big at the 45. So you're actually moving out from your center at an angle at the 45 degree angle. So what you're telling me is biomechanics works with my system because the continuous movement of the hips creates the creates a sine wave of the arm so your body moves in a kinetic chain.
Alejandro Heavey: The
Broudy: kinetic chain. That's correct. That's
Alejandro Heavey: right because they connect the kinetic chain is when you begin two down two up, You begin to the ankles, legs, hips, trunk, shoulder, four ham and breathe all this is the kinetic change. And I I saw I saw your videos and in your videos when you're working you work all this part of the of the body. Yes. This is not tennis. This is be a mechanical. If you put out the rocket, you are working with a mechanical. You don't need a rocket to work your mechanical. And this process is very very important because you are giving a long life to a tennis player. Because you are teaching how with working every part of the body to candidate what Dennis struck. And this is the most important point for a tennis player because you prevent injuries in the future. Yes.
Alejandro Heavey: you are working vo mechanical. Yes. This is for me, the most important I saw we use all your tools and your systems because you prevent injuries in the future. And you know, when a player play a match, Yes, maybe he run a lot because he need to find a ball or okay. But when the player is play Dennis all the time, he is using very, very well all your all the parts of your body. That is because your training the mental and the movement of the player. Yes. And you obtain the best results 45°. Give the best result to play a very good tennis the wave and and the moving of the arm give the perfect turkey. And when you integrate all you are creating a real tennis player. And that is the reason because I would like so much your system because video tools, you are create a real real tennis player because ended with a complete learning. Yes.
Broudy: You know, it's funny, I'm listening to you and it sounds like we're talking the same language. The only difference is I say it in general terms, I say, well, you make a figure eight with your hips, your arm moves in a figure eight going out to the 45 in a sign wave. And you are saying that the kinetic chain, the kinetic chain goes from your hips to your torso to your shoulder to your arm to your wrist. And then when you have that sine wave you have your wrist, you learn to lay your wrist back because it's curved at the end, it's curved. Have you have you seen the new cobra, the new invention?
Alejandro Heavey: Sure, I see the video.
Broudy: I wish it was. It's incredible. I wish I could get one to you. I know it's so difficult in Argentina to get your product. Remember how long it took to get the board over there?
Alejandro Heavey: No, but you have a very good platform for the a bar for for practice service.
Broudy: Yeah. You know what I was gonna tell you? I use even more than the than the swivel board. The Broudy board. Now, you know what? I use more believe it or not, I used the I use the ramp more because you need verticality. You need you need to be vertical too. And the problem with the with the with the Broudy board is when you swivel, you only go side to side, you really need to rise up and down into the hit. So I use the ramp more and also it's better on clay because
Alejandro Heavey: No, yes,
Broudy: the clay is not good for the swivels, they get ruined. So the rain
Alejandro Heavey: check when I use with my younger players, they were because I used Uh huh At first I put in the war and begin to learn how to move. Yes. Then I say okay um layer on the ground. Yes. You know in clay you can move, it's not the same of the hard supervises.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes. Here you can move it. It's very simple because you can rotate in clay but player field they are in the air. Yes when practical anymore. And then put your feet on the ground. Say they tell me, oh I am there. I don't understand why. But the process of rotation is very simple. That's because they have in your mind the movement and then it's very simple. The players understand the hip rotation and one of the most important point because you know for example Andre Agassi need to replace your hips. Yes. Why? Because he had problems to rotate. He playing hard, super fais is much what's time?
Broudy: It's too
Alejandro Heavey: easy,
Broudy: is that right?
Alejandro Heavey: It's not easy to protect your hips because
Broudy: I have noticed when I see a Agassi now he's pretty stiff.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes.
Broudy: As an older man, he's pretty stiff, he moves pretty stiffly now,
Alejandro Heavey: like
Broudy: when he was young. So you're saying all that rotation in the hips might have been,
Alejandro Heavey: he replaced the boat hits for or medical hips. Yes, because his processes because he broke both. That is the reason because in clay is more easy to understand the concept of the movement.
Broudy: Ah And he was brought up on hard courts. So all that hard core creates too much torque.
Alejandro Heavey: That's right, that's right. That's the reason because I like so much you're a bar because player understand the concept. Yes, I understand the concept They can move and the heat of the front and when you teach 45° angles is more simple. The hips are in front of the court when ended the structure. Uh huh. If you if you play in the closed
Alejandro Heavey: you need to rotate a lot to the hip are in front of the court.
Broudy: I see it, it's like if you're in the open, if you're open stance it's easier to get around.
Alejandro Heavey: That's right, that's right.
Broudy: But in the open. But in the open stance you have to use your hips a little bit more in the beginning.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes,
Broudy: right. And then in the end it's much easier
Alejandro Heavey: And the best example is better, better is all the time playing 45°. Only play a close position when he is playing a passing shot. And that is because club position is better play a passing shot because the body is in in rotation position and it's better to play a parallel bowl. But in the case to open angles, If you see Russia all the time is playing 45 degree angles. So
Broudy: you think you think roger is more open stance when he's rallying with somebody. But when someone comes to net to make me more precise and more accurate. He closes a little bit.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah, sure. He tried to not play clothes only for passing shot,
Broudy: only for passing shots. I I never really noticed that certainly on his backhand passing shot. I've noticed that.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah, sure,
Broudy: sure. Well let me ask you, it's really interesting um that we have so much in common and that's probably why we got together in the first place because I love I love Nalbandian and I must have found out you were his coach. I don't know how we met but we met and I'm glad we did. Um do you have books out and video videos out on biomechanics?
Alejandro Heavey: Yes I have but it's in the spanish not in english. Yes,
Broudy: I'd like to get that translated and get it on our our page because I think people would be very interested.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah, sure if you like. Yes, sure.
Broudy: I think we should do that. I think they would be very interested.
Alejandro Heavey: I brought in a spanish because much tennis tennis coaches and a student of tennis bought my books to to study your mechanical Yes, in Argentina and maybe and and in chile um Brazil Maybe two years. A lot a lot of number of people have my book but I
Broudy: yeah, I think a lot of my people would like to see your stuff. I mean I would um my spanish is only from high school and it's not so good. So I would have to
Alejandro Heavey: have my english is good man. It's not excellent shock.
Broudy: It's pretty it's pretty good.
Alejandro Heavey: I need practice because all the time I speak spanish okay but the most important that we understand but for example take a look of Rafa. Yes rafa candidate a big rotation to obtain uh speed ball is this? But look rafa, rafa, rafa have problems in your legs. Yes, it's your mix. This is because he is not working a very good biomechanical process. The biomechanical of rafa is not good
Broudy: is it? All
Alejandro Heavey: right? Because he did not rotate all your body. He is a strong player and all these candidates with your arm.
Broudy: It's funny when I watch Rafa, his racket always goes out to the 45 but sometimes he he opens a little too much but he's still so disciplined that his his arm goes out to the 45 every time
Alejandro Heavey: He's working he's working 40 45. But when you when you watch rafa playing hard supervises, we have the rotation problems. It's not the same. But graphic play on clay.
Alejandro Heavey: his
Broudy: feet move a little bit on clay.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes, sure. Yes it's different. It's different. He when when he when he played on on hard supervises she used your arm
Alejandro Heavey: very good in your legs.
Broudy: Ah so he does
Alejandro Heavey: that. Yes the the difference between a player of clay and hard supervises is for example for the team for latin players in Argentina in Spain is the player when he was very younger begin The 1st 4 is so curious. Soccer is a sport when where you need play with your lips and you need going down. Yes the the gravity center is going down because when you run you need going down. Yes with your left.
Broudy: I understand
Alejandro Heavey: the the the the clay players have very strong legs. Take a look at the legs of RAFA. Our biggest take a look of the legs or a harp player. It's not biggest
Broudy: like like john Isner he's got skin.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes, maybe it's a very very strong here. Yes, your shoulder you around,
Broudy: I agree.
Alejandro Heavey: And this is the
Broudy: players, the hardcore players are more dominant in the upper body and the clay court players you can see they're more grounded, right? They have a better sense of gravity and they use their lower body to sort of shake and move their upper body and that's why the clay court players are always usually more
Alejandro Heavey: beautiful. Yes, in general the hard players have a better service. Take a look of the place player and the service is very bad. Mm mm Not have much speed. Maybe have problems to the second service because it's more simple attack when they service is the problem of RAFA or the others like Ferrero On okay much of other tennis players but this is the problem because when you play on clay supervises, you do not need understand the concept of the biomechanical to obtain a very good movement because you play all the points. It is not much ASIS on clay. Yes. If you see Roland Garros watch the static of the match. You will see RAFA how many aces? Right. Mhm.
Broudy: Right. Right. But actually we have offices in Rafa's defense. His serve has gotten a lot better over the years.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes. Yes. But to go back to our first when you teach with your system you are teaching all of your mechanical process the inertial because you try to the player broke the inertial movement because at first you know the the player it's a static, I need break the inertial to create power with your muscles. Yes to to candidate the structure and this is biomechanical and when your system is very simple break the inertial position because it's simple rotating. Yes, Not need the 4th. Yes if you like you can work and a stroke in different states for example you can work the rotation, the preparation the the impact position through the ball and the impact on closed. Yes you can work in different parts and in different parts. You can understand all the process of the kinetic chain and this is the most important for me to obtain a great tennis player. Yes, I think this is very very important. Well
Broudy: you know it's funny when when you're talking I'm thinking to myself about returning serve. It seems like all the best return of servers, they kind of sway and wait like this like rafa like the bull and and serena and Agassi they all have this rock Back and forth in this figure eight. Kind of a small little figure eight and then they expand into the hit and then the players that don't have such a good return to serve, they're always bouncing. They bounce, they bounce up and down you know and they just bounced from foot to foot but they don't have this they don't have this kinetic chain started in the in the sway in the in the ready position. And and so I've always found the best returners are the ones that sway back and forth.
Alejandro Heavey: Oh yes the the clay players don't have a very good service return because the ball when when when sarah is the player ah the ball is uh take the ground. Yes the speed is very low is different of hard supervises or or grass. Yes when the wall yes begin a process with very high speed now here no look rougher. He is going forward step back the line and wait the ball is going down
Alejandro Heavey: Yes.
Broudy: Even on even on a big serve.
Alejandro Heavey: That's right, don't don't like don't training a lot of service return because in clay waiting the ball weight in the ball don't need attack the world. Yes to to candidate a very good service return. Um That is because is when when a clay player play over hard hard supervises have problems to return service. If you see maybe have problem to to read when when is the service? Right? Yes. This is part, it's because don't training, don't training a tractable is only training weight able. Yes, this is the difference to play but they have a stronger legs and when he received double he had the strong legs to candidate power. Yes and back the ball to the other side. In the line, in the in the line, yes in the line of the court and this and then and in this point begin to play a point. Yes. This is very different the concept to play in clay or hard sacrifices.
Broudy: Oh yeah. And certainly the new, the modern rackets have helped the clay quarters, Europeans much more than the americans because in the end it was all about power and now the clay quarters can generate as much power with the big racket and and and they can do it better because they use their legs and and they use their entire body instead of just from the waist up. You know, just the shoulders and the arms and the chest. Now they use their whole because they're down in their legs. I'm not sure where you stand. I would argue that it starts in the hips and goes down to the legs. Some people say it starts in the legs and goes up to the hips. I don't think so. I think it's the hips, the jet that make the leg torque and make the arm
Alejandro Heavey: torque.
Broudy: That's right. And
Alejandro Heavey: one thing go ahead. The turkey, the turkey max plus the activation time. Canada candidate the angular impulse. Yes. When you rotate yes. Your body the turkey, you rotate the trunk and the arm your generate the angular input. This is the all the movement of the truck when you but I'm going to your racket to impact the ball and you are working with the Seiner wave. Yes.
Alejandro Heavey: And now you are working the torque it. You're signing away inbio mechanical historical. Yes.
Broudy: Right. No, I see that. I see that. I have a question. I'm sure people will want to know because you teach juniors and and great players, pros as well. Are there any people that are just impatient and don't want to listen and and just want to hit the ball or do most people come to you? I must say most people that come to me, they're pretty good listeners because they're paying a lot of money and so they're not gonna they're not gonna waste it. They're gonna at least pretend to listen. How about you? Do you experience people having a difficult time with this sometimes or does everyone pretty much is it relatively simple to explain and understand?
Alejandro Heavey: Oh yes. Um you can, your question is why the tennis player, professional tennis player, what is the difference or?
Broudy: Well, when you, when you start to talk about biomechanics to people that have never, I have never seen you before. First time do most of them accept it pretty well or do you have difficulties especially with especially with the kids
Alejandro Heavey: check mechanical open when when I integrate your mechanical with computer system. Yes, because to to work with your mechanical, you integrate videos in the computer system are much very good programs to work the biomechanical in tennis. Okay. And show the videos to the
Broudy: player so you can actually show them something they can look at and understand and go, oh I see, yes, I'd like to I'd like to see some of that. Do you have that? Is that an animation? Is that done in animation?
Alejandro Heavey: No, I I record the structure In 45° Angles. Yes. And I record The the the struck back. Yes from back and 45 degree angles.
Broudy: Huh? I see that's what I do to those are my three angles for the most part. Yes.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah, sure. In general the pro tennis player when you begin to analysis and stroke and they say I do not feel very good. My stroke. Yes, because his his field in your mind the stroke in the matches don't give the result. They like it.
Alejandro Heavey: Okay. New record. Here's the video. You study all the part of the biomechanical of the stroke. You generate the video and then you sit with the player begin to show what happened. Yes. Why kids on to you destruct in general. The players understand. Yes the problem and they like to begin to training the biomechanical of the structure.
Alejandro Heavey: when a player understand the bureau mechanical of the structure. Then the coach correct the technique and use the new technique to play different balls in a match. And they can change the strategy of the match because he incorporate new position, new technique and a new concept to play tennis and then it's closed all. Yes. First your mechanical, second technique, third rotation. You can work your mechanical not work technique and work directly extradition because it's not worth by the size you need first mechanical. When the player begin to understand the concept to play a very good tennis, the coach understands what happened with the player because the player begin to feel the struck again. Yes in Canada the ships and the priests are a very very normal problem. Yes. Much player break the breeze a lot to handle a topspin. Yes. But when you for example teach you're the movement is fluid. No need break a lot of the priests that well when you begin the process to speech the brisk movement to a tennis player then they can use the new top spin to candidate new position in the court. And this is the way you're working with the biomechanical in tennis you
Broudy: know and I guess when you're speaking I guess why we why we became friends is because
Alejandro Heavey: I have
Broudy: these products that I created that over the years that all are kinesthetic you can feel you can feel things underneath you instead of trying to do with your hips. You can feel it without having to be so scientific. But you add a whole another level of of science and mathematics to what I'm trying to teach people how to feel.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes. But one of the important things shock is when you are working with for example, social social tennis yes. Is the biggest number of tennis players. Yes, people is playing their weekends. But when you teach to these guys a little of biomechanical, they begin to play better. Mhm. They like to Continual learning Dennis and not abandoned faster. The coach. Yes. Because what's the problem you teach that we can player when the ball is going side by your side, they say okay, I don't need a coach. It's okay. I can play with my my friends. Yeah, okay. But when you begin to give a little concept yes, because you know this is not a player who is working, Physical training is only yes, if maybe he's fat or I don't know about your physical problems. When you begin to teach the little part of the biomechanical, he began to play better and when she played with your friends, he feels he won the matches and she feels good. Yes, because I'm great. I want my matches.
Broudy: I think people like to feel good on the court and and feel like they look good on the court as well and you're right. I don't even with the club players sometimes I only talk about the 45 and that helps so much just the 45 because they never knew where to contact the ball. They never knew how to line their body up and just lining your body up and contacting the ball. You know, the hips do add a lot and and the sine wave and all that, but just understanding how to find the ball makes you more consistent.
Alejandro Heavey: Yes, sure. But but you need that felt for the country when I begin to a new player, the first thing I do is be a mechanical analysis, the first mechanical analysis. Then I asked him what kind of things like it because you know, all the players, like other players for example, say, okay, I like Russia. I like rafa, I like Novak okay. When I ended the study of the biomechanical, I tried to understand what is the better for this player. And I'd like to introduce the best technique I can't teach to this player and I have a player for a long time. Yes, because you have a man like to teach and for example, I I teach for a ham yes with a new technique with mechanical study, I work six months, six months, I do a new analysis and he began to to watch how it's changed the original structure and the new structure and and he begins to feel good. Then he spoke with all their players and the other player has come to take classes.
Broudy: Sure. No, I I agree. I do a lot of before and after. I think people like to see you know what we did in two months or three months. It's a big difference and I think they really enjoy that and they can feel progress.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah, sure,
Broudy: and they can see progress more importantly.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah, sure. But I I work with this concept. I will tell you first, biomechanical, then technique and then how to play tennis.
Broudy: Well, that's interesting. I don't do it that strictly, but I certainly make sure that a person can do a nice figure and they understand and can do a good figure eight. The 45 is easy to explain to people. I think I think the more difficult and the Figure eight takes a little bit for some people, it takes a little bit the club player to feel that movement. I think for the good player, that movement is natural with a lot of good players.
Alejandro Heavey: Oh yes, with the Figure eight, you you had an elastic movements.
Broudy: Yeah, and I think it's natural with good athletes,
Alejandro Heavey: period drop look natural.
Broudy: Well listen Alex I it's just you know, you know, I love talking to you and
Alejandro Heavey: I'm
Broudy: I'm honored that you have been my friend for all these years because
Alejandro Heavey: you're
Broudy: very, very intelligent and a good person. Um now people can find you on my site. I wanted them to know that because you're gonna be, you're gonna be one of my main instructors on the site that in fact people that speak spanish, maybe they don't even want to see me, Maybe they're just going to go right to you, which is good. They can find Alejandro or Alex heavy on my site. And uh, he'll be, he'll be right where it says certified pros because he knows probably more than I
Alejandro Heavey: do about what
Broudy: I'm talking about. But anyway, I really appreciate how you put the science and, and yeah, the the more detail and the more science to what I, what I try to convey to people, which is, you know, the three fundamentals. I just call them three fundamentals. But when you talk about how the kinetic chain works perfectly with the system, that's why we have such nice synergy together because we always
Alejandro Heavey: agree. Yeah,
Broudy: sure you have
Alejandro Heavey: a very, very good system.
Broudy: Well, I'd like to, I'd like to hopefully we'll do this again on a different topic. Maybe we'll talk about some of your pros and and some of the ups and downs of your pros, who knows, we'll find something else to talk about because I'm sure people want to hear more from you and um, but thank you so much for talking with me today. I really appreciate it.
Alejandro Heavey: Thanks to
Broudy: and it's my pleasure. And we'll be seeing you on the site and we'll we'll do more WhatsApp and we'll continue talking like we always do, hopefully more than we have been even in the last couple of years.
Alejandro Heavey: Yeah, sure when you like it, Yeah.
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